Comments on: Working with the Screen Actor’s Guild (SAG) http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/sag-contracts/ Join us in our filmmaking experience. Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:53:25 -0500 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.3 By: russ http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/sag-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-6609 Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:53:25 +0000 http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/2007/02/08/sag-contracts/#comment-6609 We did have to include P&H, but our bond was 40% of the total actors salaries + P&H. Maybe your actor budgets are so low that SAG wants it all up front.

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By: Rich http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/sag-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-6608 Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:45:03 +0000 http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/2007/02/08/sag-contracts/#comment-6608 3. The bond! In your budgets, don’t forget about the SAG bond. SAG requires you to submit a list of SAG actors in your film, and then you pay a 40% bond (based on SAG actors salaries) to make sure you cover all of the Pension and Health benefits for the SAG actors. The problem is that you don’t see that money until after the shoot is done. So, plan for it!
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This is wrong.

We are trying to work with SAG on the Ultra Low Budget contract as I write this. I used this post and other peoples post on other sites stating that there’s a 40% bond for SAG Salaries, and to make sure I budgeted for it. We did budget for it, but that was not the correct amount. We tried to contact SAG about the BOND during the time we were writing the budget to make sure this was right, but nobody at SAG would answer this question. That left us no choice, we had to figure out the bond from other sources. So we went with the 40%. That was wrong! It’s actually the entire amount you are paying your SAG actor’s plus 10% — plus 15.3% of entire cast Salary for pension and health.

So say you total budgeted salary is $5,000.

You would pay the $5,000
Plus 10% additioanl $500
Then pension and health $765

The total bond would be $6265 plus your actors Salaries which 5,000 so your total budget should be $11,265 for actors.

We budgeted 40% which is 5000×40% = $2000, before SAG will let our SAG actors come on our set we have to come up with another $4,265. Which we don’t have, and we are scrambling to get it some how.
We asked SAG why it was so much and they said because our $35,000 budget was so low, and it might be tight for us to pay our actors. SO DO NOT USE THIS 40% when figuring your budget.

SAG hit us with this two days before we were suppose to start shooting.

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By: russ http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/sag-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-6598 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:14:00 +0000 http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/2007/02/08/sag-contracts/#comment-6598 For all my short films, I’ve just put together a few key items in a spreadsheet and use it as a reference. Mostly, I use volunteers, but I like to pay for the DP, coordinator/scheduler, gaffer, sound person, and the key actors and then also for equipment rentals (camera, lighting, dolly, etc.). That’s about the extent of my short film budgets. 🙂

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By: eskrigian http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/sag-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-6597 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:55:01 +0000 http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/2007/02/08/sag-contracts/#comment-6597 I’m looking for a short, simple, free (or cheap) on-line budget for a short film. Any suggestions?

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By: russ http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/sag-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-6595 Sun, 13 Mar 2011 18:38:54 +0000 http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/2007/02/08/sag-contracts/#comment-6595 I’m not sure, but I don’t think so. You’re not making money from the footage.

Also, remember that SAG cannot really do anything to you (the production company), especially if you’re in a right to work state. And, if you haven’t signed any contracts with SAG, they can’t do anything to you. They can, however, go after the actors and penalize them, but that’s getting harder to do. I’ve done short films non-union here in Texas with Fi-Core SAG actors, which basically allows them to do non-union projects and still keep their SAG status.

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By: eskrigian http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/sag-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-6594 Sat, 12 Mar 2011 22:07:07 +0000 http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/2007/02/08/sag-contracts/#comment-6594 one last question… seriously. well, at least not today. I plan to uploade the footage to Kickstarter to raise financing for the feature. Does Kickstarter count as public distribution? Thanks!

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By: russ http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/sag-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-6593 Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:41:14 +0000 http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/2007/02/08/sag-contracts/#comment-6593 A lot of it depends on your state. Here in Texas, it’s easy to have liability but no wokmans comp. Liability is required for locations, equipment, etc. so you need that. But workmans comp is more about protecting in case of an accident, but is not required by some states. Some local indie films here don’t get it.

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By: russ http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/sag-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-6592 Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:36:23 +0000 http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/2007/02/08/sag-contracts/#comment-6592 I would create a simple but binding agreement that says you will not use any of the footage you shoot initially for any public distribution, that it’ll be used only for fund raising. Then, if you secure financing, a standard SAG signatory agreement will be used. That way, there’s nothing for SAG to penalize. I would avoid becoming a SAG signatory until after you get your funding.

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By: eskrigian http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/sag-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-6591 Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:02:29 +0000 http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/2007/02/08/sag-contracts/#comment-6591 I’m having trouble finding a company that will sell me Workman’s comp only. my crew will be comprised of film students from a university. they will recieve credit for working on the film. the university will provide liability but not workman’s comp. any suggestions? Film Emporium only sells the package – liability AND workmans comp.

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By: eskrigian http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/sag-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-6590 Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:57:21 +0000 http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/2007/02/08/sag-contracts/#comment-6590 thanks Russ. I just might use the footage in the feature, if we’re happy enough with how it looks. But all of that is moot unless we are lucky enough to raise financing. if we do at that point I will definately become a SAG signatory. Question is if they find out about my shooting the first bit of footage non-union, what will happen? a penalty?

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By: russ http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/sag-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-6589 Fri, 11 Mar 2011 20:14:50 +0000 http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/2007/02/08/sag-contracts/#comment-6589 If you are not going to use any of the footage except to raise money, then there is no official “distribution” of the film. Maybe your actors would be willing to sign a non-SAG agreement that states the footage will not be used for any public form of distribution. Now, if you plan to use that same footage in your movie, then it may get more complicated. 🙂

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By: eskrigian http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/sag-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-6588 Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:05:02 +0000 http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/2007/02/08/sag-contracts/#comment-6588 I’m about to shoot the first 10 minutes of my feature screenplay to use as a teaser for raising financing for the full feature. It will be a 4 or 5 day shoot. I want to use two SAG actors who will work for $100 a day. I don’t have enough money to pay pension and all of the other fees/expenses that come with beiing a SAG. I will only be showing this film to a handfull of producers so SAG will never see this teaser and will never know their actors worked non-union.I will do my best to follow SAG guidlines and rules with regard to treating actors well. Am I going to regret this?

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By: russ http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/sag-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-6419 Fri, 25 Jun 2010 20:07:23 +0000 http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/2007/02/08/sag-contracts/#comment-6419 Thanks Sasha. I’ve heard about item 2), and I hear it can be rough. Someone gave me some advice, saying, “Four wall it, and keep your ticket stubs.”

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By: sasha http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/sag-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-6418 Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:35:16 +0000 http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/2007/02/08/sag-contracts/#comment-6418 Hi,

There are a few things to add from my recent dealings with SAG.

1) Producers should always go with a payroll company and figure this cost into their budgets. All of a sudden my $100/day actors turned in to $350/day actors when P&W, payroll and OT came into play. If you want to pay a company only to take care of your SAG actors and not all of your payroll, you will have to have workman’s comp in your liability insurance.

2) An important thing to remember is that if you try to sell your SAG Ultra-Lox Budget movie straight to distribution, bypassing theater showings, you’ll have to pay SAG big. Remember that art house and festival theaters DO NOT COUNT. This is important when considering a selling price.

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By: johnt55 http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/sag-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-6130 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:47:12 +0000 http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/2007/02/08/sag-contracts/#comment-6130 An interersting article on the SAG Ultra Low Budget Agreement:

http://www.easy-budget.com/articles/articles.as

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By: Stephanie http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/sag-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-5889 Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:11:14 +0000 http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/2007/02/08/sag-contracts/#comment-5889 If you dont mind, I am going to refer your website to a few of our 21-day filmmaking competition Teams that have been made offers by SAG actors and are afraid to use them! It’s amazing how scary a few pieces of paper can be 🙂

Meanwhile, I am not sure if Fissure has distribution yet, but if you are seeking it, you might want to check this out:

Got Films? Want them distributed?
Submissions of completed short and feature-length undistributed films to Project Twenty1’s Philadelphia Film-A-Thon are still open until August 9th. The Winner of “Best Film” will receive a screening at the International House Philadelphia Theater, a copy of Toon Boom Storyboard Pro, the Official Philadelphia Film-A-Thon trophy, and an international distribution offer by Polychrome Pictures through Warner Bros Worldwide Home Video/DVD. Visit http://www.ProjectTwenty1.com for more info.

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By: Lavinia http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/sag-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-1760 Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:11:33 +0000 http://www.fissurethemovie.com/blog/2007/02/08/sag-contracts/#comment-1760 I’ve been trying to get a straight answer about the SAG bond and couldn’t find anywhere until I visited your website. Thanks so much.

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